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KiraKira -

I've heard so many different claims on various blogs and forum searches regarding the number of
hanzi and usage percentages that I'm not sure which is correct.

For example claims like:
"100 characters cover about 50% of the used language, and 500 characters cover about 90%." .. or
variation of that statistic.

Does anyone have a source that has a pretty good arguement/analysis used to back up the claim? I
know there is some correlation (and it would be nice if it were close to the one posted) but I
just want to be sure & see what everyone thinks the closest correct claim is.



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hanyu_xuesheng -

See

http://technology.chtsai.org/charfreq/93charfreq.html

You understand knowing

100 char. 45 %
300 char. 67 %,
500 char. 77 %,
1000 char. 89 %
3000 char. 99 %

of a text.










flameproof -

You can check it yourself:

http://goulnik.com/chinese/gb/



Quote:

I just want to ... see what everyone thinks the closest correct claim is.

There is none. Because it depends all on the text you use. Some are more, some are less..... So
there is not THE list...










imron -

Just remember though that this is for characters only, so for non-native speakers who know 3000+
characters, there will still be many words that are unfamiliar. Most usage statistics like this
are really only valid for native speakers and not for language learners.










gato -

It has some similarity to the claim that just 26 letters covers 100% of English texts.










flameproof -



Quote:

Just remember though that this is for characters only, so for non-native speakers who know 3000+
characters, there will still be many words that are unfamiliar.

This is very true, however, to know a (multi character) word you need to know the individual
character first. So knowing all characters is for sure a good start.

Next step is to know all words.... But that's not it. Even if you know all words you will still
often have difficulties to figure out the meaning.



Quote:

It has some similarity to the claim that just 26 letters covers 100% of English texts.

I think it makes perfect sense to learn characters according to frequency. They are not avoidable
anyway, and it's very motivational since you can very fast recognize lots of passages.

So frequency analysis is a very useful toy for sparetime fun use, not more, not less. It's
specially useful to analyze online text that you plan to read to figure out if it's suited to your
level.

With 500 characters you can "see" 90% of the text, but the other 90% are in the remaining 10%...










imron -

I don't think there's anything wrong with learning characters by frequency, but just don't be
under the impression that once you get to 3000 you'll be able to read and understand 99% of all
texts.










atitarev -

I am in a conversational class now, what I noticed that many common words used in speech (not so
much in the written language) may not have the same frequency. In other words, all frequency
ratings are based on newspapers, formal texts, not on what you hear more often in the street (I am
talking about standard Mandarin vocabulary). Just my 2 cents, thought it was mentioning.

Lists of characters by frequency are only useful for some reviewing, not for actual studies,
anyway. Just keep reading texts. Individual frequency lists may differ largely.

I haven't seen detailed analysis of Chinese frequency lists but I've seen descriptions how
Japanese ones were made, which newpapers were used, over which period, etc.

If you do a simple search by character in google, it gives you a number of hits.










flameproof -



Quote:

Individual frequency lists may differ largely.

That is very true. But #1 is mostly 的. In the Top ten are usually 一，了，们，在，是...

I don't use it really for learning, more for Chinese related fun. But also to check before I read
something longish how many different characters are there.










KiraKira -

Thanks, I don't plan on using it like a official benchmark but its nice for perspective.












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