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rezaf -

i have been studying chinese in shanghai for a month and the reason that i write this is because i
am very angry . all of my classmates are koreans and i have never seen such lazy and uninterested
students in my life. they hardly attend half of the classes. never do their homework and just
speak in korean with each other when the teacher is teaching. i study for 5 hours a day and now i
can read and write 430 words but i doubt that my some of my classmates know more than 30
words(including the numbers and wo ni ...) and after 1 month they can not pronounce zh, ch, sh, z,
c . they have slowed down the class and made it difficult for me to learn in the class because the
teachers must spend a lot of time in teaching the very basic words and grammer everyday. there was
a good teacher who tried to make the environment creative but korean students protested against
this teacher and didnt come to her class this week and wanted the university to give them back the
money for this class. as a result the 校长 came to our class today and told her that they are
going to change her next week. i just want to know if in all the universities the situation isthe
same and does anyone have any suggestion what i should do in such a lazy class?



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heifeng -



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month they can not pronounce zh, ch, sh, z, c

The bad news is this will never change.

SOME (not all) Korean students are in China b/c they are not 'top-tier' students, thus came to
China for school.

OTHER Korean students are really hard working b/c they need an 8 or 10 on the HSK. Find those
students. Even though they are a bit too test obsessed, you'll be happier.

I don't have too many quelms w/the Korean students here in BJ, but on occasion have been annoyed
when in a class of 40 students they are collectively creating a hum of Korean speaking during
class and only myself and my uzbekistanian classmate and the teacher is speaking Chinese. But
occasionally there will be a Korean student 'not in with the pack'. Maybe they are outcasts for
some reason, maybe they just got back from their military training and find others too immature
now...but some decent ones are around.

Don't get too disheartened. Learn some free Korean, and let them take you out for dinner at least
once and then never reciprocate...turn lemons into lemonaide or start planning subtle ways to get
revenge just to give your days a beam of sunlight.










adrianlondon -

Ask to move classes. Maybe all your classmates know each other and are just there for something to
do; with no real goal.

The three Koreans in my class were different. The two girls (very different ages) worked really
hard while the young guy did nothing for the first month or so. Then something happened and ...
wow, he worked really hard and suddenly did so well. But yes, their pronunciation is often wrong
but that's just because of the Korean language. Brits find it hard to differentiate between "x"
and "sh" for example, but I'm still understood










Shadowdh -

Man if they changed the teacher as the students were too selfish and lazy to keep up then complain
right back and comment on the fact that the other students are just lazy and dont work...










wushijiao -

One of my good friends in Shanghai is a Korean guy getting his PhD at Fudan, and what he said as
far as Korean students is basically: there are a small percentage of Korean students who are from
good/elite Korean universities who are studying abroad in China. These people. in general, take
studying very seriously. I know a few Koreans who have amazing Putonghua, to the point where I
wasn't 100% sure if they were native speakers.

Then, according to my friend, there is a whole different wave of Koreans who have come to China
because, in many cases, they couldn't get into college at all back home. Studying in China is way
cheaper than in Korea, so their parents let them. To some degree, China is like their "spring
break" party place.










Hero Doug -

It sounds like you're just going to end up waisting your money and time. Can you switch classes or
get a refund?

I think you'd be better off with a tutor and self-study then the environment you're in (not sure
how possible that is). And the thing is; with Chinese universities (at least the one's I've seen)
your whole class takes an entire subject, so there's no chance of having them for just a bad class
once a week.

Possibly one of the best solutions (at the risk of being the class outcast) is to monopolize the
teacher's attention. I don't know what the class structure is like but when a question is asked
always give an answer with follow up question and try to make the teacher go off topic.










rezaf -

without a visa i can not stay in china. so studying with a tutor is not a choice.but does anyone
know if it's possible to change the university in the middle of the semester?










gato -

What school are you at?

There should be at least a policy that students shouldn't have private chats during class, so the
students who don't care to learn don't end up disrupting those who do. If those are noisy during
class, complain to the teachers and the school administrators. Go as high up the leadership ladder
as you can. The most powerful person in a school is its Party secretary, if you didn't already
know (though I doubt he/she would be accessible). If they won't enforce their own rules, tell them
you want your money back. Organize with other students who feel the same way and file your
complaint together. 团结就是力量。 加油！










rezaf -

It seems that the korean mafia is stronger than the policies , the reason that i chose this school
was that there are only 10 to 20 students in each class and the teachers are relatively good but
now i understand that i made a mistake.










gato -

That's too bad. Try complaining to the school president anyway. Maybe something can be done.

Or you can hang out with jujubeans119 who posted below about East China Normal University
(华东师范大学). It's basically Shanghai's counterpart to Beijing Normal University and
sounds pretty good.
http://www. /showth...947#post102947
East china normal uni in shanghai.












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