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renzhe -



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I would like to get a Hanzi list to use in anki whith 3000 basic Hanzi, who can provide one?

There is a file for mnemosyne which includes all characters and words from HSK (covers around 9000
words using 2900 characters) and on top of that has the top 2000 characters sorted by frequency.
Look on their webpage.

Anki can load mnemosyne databases, so you can use that -- import it and save it from Anki. If you
do this, please remember to send the resulting file to the Anki developers, so other people can
benefit from it.

If that doesn't work for some reason, I posted the exact same data here on the forum: link. I'm
pretty sure that anki should be able to import TSV files.



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KONDDE -

@renzhe

TANKS! TANKS A LOT!

It something like that I was looking for, you was very nice to share this item for us! TKS

but,

In fact after I finished thwe last post I´d written here, I choose to folow KATZUMOTO-SAN steps,
in fact this man learned over www.zhongwen.com instead of Reisig book, in his site he explain on
his FAQ. He didn´t used Heisig Books but he highly recomend it for japanese learners. He learned
+4230 Hanzi (simplified and Traditional) at the same from this site and he explained why he did on
this way.

And now I gap the katzu-san essence.

What we need to do is in fact to learn the alfabect, buit a alfabect far from dificult to learn
than nine.

What I can recomend for the beginners like me is to learn at least 3000 basic or comom caracters,
but just hanzi, forgive about words, pinyin, tranlation, etc. Focus on get these chars. as quicly
possible. If you are learning it alone or take classes one or twice per week, stay focus on it.
And try to learn tarditional and simplified forms, because to read interesting material avaliable
on net you´ll see how is dificult to find a manga in S-form.

BTW

I just discovered that don´t need Heisig book for now.. at least for now.
To wait so many months without learn a simple alphabect?!?
Is too time..and.. keep on yours mp3 headphones listening to target language (JAPANSE< CHINESE,
KOREAN)doesn´t matter what happen










renzhe -

KONDDE,

this is one approach to learning Chinese that people use, but not the only one.

While I personally advocate good amounts of rote memorisation in the beginning stages of learning
Chinese, I also think that learning words, grammar, pronunciation etc. is important, and should
supplement this effort. This actually helps the character learning process.

Learning 3000-4000 characters without any other language aspects is difficult and you'll forget
many of them rather soon unless you fit them into a language context (words, sentences,
pronunciation, etc.)

This is why I would encourage you to go ahead and learn the common characters like you plan, but
also encourage you to follow a good textbook and get some spoken language experience. This will
make the characters stick much better, and make you UNDERSTAND them much better.



Quote:

What I can recomend for the beginners like me is to learn at least 3000 basic or comom caracters,
but just hanzi, forgive about words, pinyin, tranlation, etc. Focus on get these chars. as quicly
possible. If you are learning it alone or take classes one or twice per week, stay focus on it.
And try to learn tarditional and simplified forms, because to read interesting material avaliable
on net you´ll see how is dificult to find a manga in S-form.

Learning once or twice a week is a waste of time if you want to memorise 3000 characters quickly.
Twice per day is some sort of minimum, more is better, spaced out throughout the day.

It is also my experience that learning both the traditional and simplified characters is
detrimental. Once you master one set and the vocabulary that is built on these characters, you'll
be able to read the other set with very little extra effort, because the context (words, phrases,
grammar) and the make-up of the characters (the parts they consist of) will give you huge hints in
the vast majority of cases.

No fluent Chinese speaker I've met has learned both sets at once. They could all read both, and
all it took is some reading. Concentrate on one set, 3000+ characters is difficult enough.










renzhe -

I'd also add that learning Hanzi for Chinese is different than learning Kanji for Japanese, as the
characters are an integral part of the language in a much stronger way than they are in Japanese.

It's far more than an alphabet, and in fact learning pronunciations will help the memorisation
effort because most characters have a strong phonetic component that makes sense in Chinese, but
not in Japanese.










KONDDE -

@renzhe

Many tks for the tips,

In fact the Hanzi and Kanji are the same but in few exceptions. What I mean what I´m looking for
is to learn this, just the characters, I know it is very complicated to learn just his and so
focus on it, but while I´m studying the chars.(Hanzi S and T) I do my listening drills and try to
read some exercices books, I used to do 2 classes per month with a native teacher too.

But is very confortable when you know all the basic or odds charachters, after that to learn
sentences is a step too closet.

About T-form I just learn to recognise them, just it. Trying to learn 25-50 chars. per day is a
good number to attemp this in a fews months, what dou you gues?

Remember that: Kanji, Hanzi and Hanja are all the same, I know that theirs uses is far from
diferent and there are few exceptions to some chars. kind.

The process is:
1) to learn all 3000+ odds chars. using the Heisig mmemo method.

2) while you listening to target language do some exrcices. etc etc. the main focus I will stress
on chars.

BTW´: I´m in 350-400 chars at this moment. There are no much time to goal the 3000+ I hope.


Please fell free to exchange any idea, my mother thongue is not english is brazilian portuguese
instead, sometimes I cannot express my self correctly, me sorry,

TKS!










renzhe -

KONDDE,

you are right that the characters used in China, Korea, Japan, and Taiwan/Hong Kong are variations
on the same characters. The meaning is mostly the same too (though there are also some variations
in meaning).

But, for example, in Japanese, they are read using Japanese language. They were imported from
China and grafted onto the Japanese language over generations. Each character has 3 different
pronunciations, and at least two of them lose much of the phonetic part of the Chinese character.

The connection between the language (which can be written completely in hiragana or katakana) and
the characters is much weaker than in Chinese. You learn the Japanese language (using katakana and
hiragana), and then you learn how to write some common words using kanji instead, by memorising a
couple of thousand of them.

In Chinese, the characters basically ARE the language. That's the difference I was talking about.

You can still do the Heisig thingy and some people do, but I wouldn't just assume that the best
method for learning Japanese (whatever it might be) will be the same as the best method for
learning Chinese, because of issues like these. That, and the fact that the number of characters
commonly used in Chinese is far greater than in Japanese or Korean.



Quote:

But is very confortable when you know all the basic or odds charachters, after that to learn
sentences is a step too closet.

I agree that it's nice to have a buffer of characters you've memorised and far easier to learn
words and get better at reading that way. I do this too, but I'd suggest also learning other
things at the same time. Whatever you do, and whichever method you apply, you'll be learning
characters as long as you live, even native speakers do. So concentrate on getting enough to get
you started, give you exposure to written material, help you with following TV shows, etc.

Learning things in different context really helps with memorisation. You can get this context from
hearing the words, learning vocabulary, seeing the words in context, etc.



Quote:

Please fell free to exchange any idea, my mother thongue is not english is brazilian instead,
sometimes I cannot express my self correctly, me sorry

You're doing fine, no worries. Many people on this board don't speak English as their mother
tongue.



Quote:

1) to learn all 3000+ odds chars. using the Heisig mmemo method.

I've been studying chars intensively, and I figure it will take me about 2 years to get there. I
use an SRS program, have good memory, and do it daily. I also use mnemonics (similar to the ones
Heisig uses) for some more difficult characters. I'm at about 2500, but I'm learning vocabulary
and pronunciation at the same time too.

My point is -- you can learn so much more in this time. You can go from very basic stuff to
watching whole TV shows.












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